It is also known as cougar, panther, mountain lion, and puma, though catamount is the preferred regional vernacular. 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. I didn't see him online. She is renowned for tracking. Absolutely there are a lot of folks out there who for some reason need to create something that raises a stir and gets the attention of the media etc.. Lions Clubs Int'l Links: LionNet NH Links 2011 -2012 . So you know until I found those two scats I didn't think that mountain lions were here in the east. We have evidence and as biologists we would find it quite exciting to find that evidence of one in the state. No evidence and other states where Mountain lights have turned up. Not one picture of him online while the person meet with us. Some argue that it's a leap of faith. Think you've seen a mountain lion. So. From involving members in projects as local as cleaning up an area park or as far-reaching as bringing sight to the world's blind, Lions clubs have always . Russ, from Sandwich (and Bedford) asks: In Sandwich New Hampshire, everybody has a story about seeing a mountain lion. Less successful males roam further. So when we talk about the threshold of evidence required to say for sure you have seen a mountain lion it is rather high. Really appreciate it. Have you heard stories do you have questions about the mountain line. Hunting is legal, but closely regulated by the state. You know you have to have a license and it's hard to get that license a license to own a mountain lion. Every other Friday on Morning Edition NHPRs Sam Evans-Brown tracks down answers to questions about the environment and outdoors for our listeners in a segment we call Ask Sam.. There are corollaries in other states. Lots of people have stories about them, people have them on their game cameras I mean its kind of a thing. Patrick Tate: If I could just say one thing. So and so the idea that they can follow up on every individual sighting is just crazy right. The DNA the DNA that they were able to pull from the cat suggested that it was a dispersed mountain lion that came. Thanks for calling. The Eastern mountain lion is extinct in the eastern United States and Canada, but in 2011, a . And listeners this has been a lively conversation we're sorry we didn't get to all the the e-mailed comments and the phone calls your stories are appreciated even if we didn't get a chance to hear them today. Information that weed family automotive dot com sunny for today high temperatures low to mid 80s clear tonight overnight lows in the 50s tomorrow sunny highs in the upper 80s. Peter Biello: So a little bit of nostalgia maybe for it for a better world embodied in the mountain lion. So here we have you know a very qualified biologist who who found a print took a plaster cast found a scat send it to a university. Rick van de Poll: Well education is the real important thrust of of what all of us do as biologists and Game Managers and to make sure that a things like what Sam was saying that in spite of what you believe the mountain lions will not eat your children they will not steal your pets from your backyard and they will not necessarily be seen by you unless you're extremely lucky. Peter Biello: Sam I wanted to ask you a little bit about that first and then turn to Patrick Tate efficient game. No that's a little bit outside the range. The species that once inhabited the Northeast, known as the eastern mountain lion, is now extinct. We'll be right back. Now that to me seemed to indicate that they had done the secondary workup that in my opinion proved the existence of probably a disperse or possibly from South Dakota like the one in 2011. And maybe it's a no holds barred nostalgia for a better world a wild or Fuller world not a world that's constrained by our boundaries and our taxes and our highways. Mountain lions when they show up they leave evidence. It's good to talk to you. I found a second scat scent both to him. Peter Biello: This is the exchange on an HD PR fine Peter Biello and today we're talking with folks who can tell us about the mysterious elusive mountain line and whether or not it is actually here in New Hampshire. Share. So I learned about what Rick just reported through a heart of heart of New Hampshire a letter and. He studied Politics and Spanish at Bates College, and before reporting was variously employed as a Spanish teacher, farmer, bicycle mechanic, ski coach, research assistant, a wilderness trip leader and a technical supporter. Fish and Game looked into the labs to have them confirm the information in the reports which the labs did not. Known to exist in the state for over well over a hundred years. Chartered 1973; Member of District 44-H; . So I think in that story there's there's something for the believers and the nonbelievers and I and you know Mark L. Brock is who is a gentleman with the cougar Network told me this story is evidence that that if they were here we would know about it. OK. That location they just described we had two or three Bobcats radio collared on just off the runway in Laconia airport. But you won't find evidence of their existence in paw prints in the snow or a deer carcass in a tree. Patrick Tate: No downward pressure at all I think actually Sean turned up and we found the evidence there a number of people would finally say finally we can put this debate to bed. Peter Biello: And then it ran away okay. To date, the Department has not received any verifiable evidence (photographic or DNA)of mountain lions existing in New Hampshire. Are there other powers that be worried that scary mountain lions will scare off people from camping in New Hampshire. Rick your thoughts. Can you look into this picture. Patrick Tate: So I agree with what Sam said in part that their ability to go undetected for amount of time but ultimately it was detected. Here it is. Join as a $8 per month sustainer and get our brand-new owl umbrella! The states never denied mountain lions are here, and theyve never admitted mountain lions are here. Sandy Hodskins, owner of West Meadow Farm in Bradford, New Hampshire, took time from shoveling Wednesday to enjoy the snow with her horse, West Wind. Rick van de Poll: Rick van de Poll so I was a non-believer as well. I mean no doubt a seen Bobcat seen his stuff. I would say that there's going to be the truth in here somewhere. And Rick van de Poll naturalist and founder of ecosystem management consultants of New England. Well thanks for sharing. And we want to know your stories if you have them 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7 or email exchange at an HP bar dot org we'll talk about conspiracy theories when we come back. This is the exchange. You know perhaps poke around where you saw it and see if you can find a track. OK. Rick van de Poll: Rick and I would add that if a mountain lion male takes up residence and successfully finds a female as pets there's gonna be a lot more evidence there will be like deer carcasses up in trees and territorial marking and claw marks and tracks and it you know dispersal is gonna be very tough to see or observed but residential parrots a totally different story. Yes and you want to share what you learned. Well let me ask maybe Pat and Rick about this. But on the other side of that coin there is this sense that there have been so many sightings locally and you guys Patrick you might recall the name the Wyndham McCracken she kind of turned herself into a local authority off authorities the right word but she was very dedicated to this. We're not in the woods. Some of the reports that I looked into that were actually on file at the local fish and game office were even from people who did not live locally. Let's go now to to Kyle in Keene I believe Kyle is this Kyle Jarvis from the Keene Sentinel a former reporter and former reporter. I mean so what what is the practical change that it would bring to New Hampshire if any. That's why we always go back to the physical evidence to support what they're reporting. Peter Biello: They make great mascots at least. Almost all species disperse greater distances than females. But if you do if you think you're looking at a wild Puma their tail is very thick and especially in the winter is very thick and ponderous looking. Sam Evans-Brown: You know the North America had a number of large predator species when humans first arrived in the continent. Theres a project called the Cougar Network that tracks verified sightings, and they are all around us: Massachusetts, Connecticut, Maine, New York and New Brunswick have all had verified sightings over the past 20 years or so. He says when youve got a mountain lion in town, its kinda obvious. Deer Bear Moose Grey Wolf Coyote Foxes Fisher Mountain Lion NH Wildlife History. About Us Media Kit Calendar of Events Volunteer Visit Learn Events Membership Support Your Visit BUY TICKETS Know Before You Go Directions and Information Our Animals Live Animal Exhibit Trail Hours and Admission Calendar of Events Through DNA they approximate area in the United States or North America where I was born. Peter Biello: Mm hmm. Part II. So one thing I'll add we're talking about natural dispensers but talking with the conservation officer in the 1980s they recall going to a residence telling a person you can live here but your mountain lion can't. (Cue the X-Files music: The Government is denying the cougars exist!) This decision was primarily for nerdy phylogeny reasons, though, because the eastern cougar probably never existed. 44-N Links. The views expressed in this program are those of the individuals and not those of an HP are its board of trustees or its underwriters. This is where things start breaking down when you so I get pictures with this great description and one of my favorite stories is a great description what the witness and then so I called the witness and wanted information from them and the person says What are you talking about. About Lions. We'll also hear your stories if you have them again. I mean I that said I've lived out west for nine years. 1957. It's bigger but bigger and better world. By, March 2023 Fund Drive Rules and Regulations, Persons with disabilities who need assistance accessing NHPR's FCC public files, please contact us at publicfile@nhpr.org. They create these scrapes where theyre communicating with each other with scent. Peter Biello: So let's say Rick that it was confirmed that there that there are mountain lines here in New Hampshire. Caller: Yeah. And I think this is a really interesting story for a couple of reasons one is that it proves what Pat was saying which that basically from New York state where its traces was really picked up on a game camera around Lake George all the way down to Connecticut there was numerous. And I have to use that word allegedly because there is so much dispute about what people see and what they actually see. Michael Brindley is our program manager our producers our Jessica Hunt and Christina Phillips and our theme music was composed by Bob Lord. Mike thanks for your call. Peter Biello: Ok. NHFG Wildlife Biologist Patrick Tate identifies this cat as a bobcat. The second one was not only fresh but when I actually put my hand on it it was you know smelled like cat and I it's there's no denying a fresh mountain lions get if you can tell it every story that KOAT. You could trace that was this same cat from point to point to point. And I I have this great text history of New Hampshire game and fir bears and I think by Helen Silver who used to work for fish and game and she sort of I kind eyes this animal in one of the quotes from 1892 stating that the catamaran was the most ferocious of all the wild beasts of New Hampshire his great size strength and agility of movement together with his formidable weapons rendered him the terror both of man and beast. Does not test random Scouts. Peter Biello: Listeners give us a call if you have a question or a story of a sighting 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. In my New Hampshire career I have written several, and seen at least 20, stories along the lines of "local person thinks they saw a mountain lion but there's no actual evidence aside from. He writes As a farmer I come across many outdoorsman looking to hunt our property had a conversation with one who believed very strongly that we had mountain lions in New Hampshire. Tell us your story. And so so with their limited staff and limited budget that is that is more and more limited every year because you know fewer people are buying hunting and fishing licenses. Caller: It had to be a mountain lion convinced I was about 30. But you won't find evidence of their existence in paw prints in the snow or a deer carcass in a tree. The American Lion The Saber tooth Tiger and this was the one that survived. They sent it already. But you can continue the conversation on Facebook or at our Web site and HP Borg. It's not a skinny rope like tail like a housecat. Peter Biello: Well Mike thanks very much for sharing your story. You've got you've got biologists right who are trying to make their make their way in the world make a career if you are the biologists who confirmed a sighting of mountain lions in the state that would be very good for you like you would be all over the news. Patrick Tate: Same here in New Hampshire too. Patrick Tate: Yeah yeah. Its impossible to say, but I think the odds are pretty good that some of these sightings are legit. HOLDERNESS, N.H. (AP) Two of the known mountain lions in New Hampshire have spent their 15 years in close proximity to humans. These were normal everyday folks. And why would they what. Right. On Oct. 10, he gave a slide talk called "Wild Cats of New Hampshire," which included the bobcat and the lynx. Today she talked with us a little bit before the show about why the mountain line is so compelling and why we want it to be part of our world. A 140-pound male mountain lion was hit by a car and killed in 2011 in Milford, Connecticut. Patrick Tate: It became a very interesting investigation over time because it started becoming. When you talk about a bobcat Bobcat maybe 80 90 pounds and then a mountain lion could be between 130 and 180 pounds. Here she is talking about how to identify a mountain lion. Monday, December 5th: Mountain Lions in New Hampshire? I just don't understand the mechanism for how that would happen. So try to take photographs if you see something like this. So I just throwing that out there it's interesting. Rick van de Poll: Rick your thoughts. So what counts as verifiable evidence? Peter Biello: And Carl before you continue I think Patrick Tate just give me a second. HOLDERNESS, N.H. (AP) Two of the known mountain lions in New Hampshire have spent their 15 years in close proximity to humans. So I certainly can't dispute anything that they said there's no evidence for me to go by to verify or say what my thoughts are on the situation. Caller: Hey guys how you doing. Patrick Tate: It's wow interesting that you brought this up because I've had people report I saw cardamom. HOLDERNESS, N.H. (AP) Two of the known mountain lions in New Hampshire have spent their 15 years in close proximity to humans. So one thing that I find fascinating about this Connecticut cat was six months between the New York situation where they found evidence of it too when it was hit by a motor vehicle. Tonight, Sean McDonald investigates,. Have you seen one. BUT THAT SAID, Id love to be proven wrong. It was in the spring flash kind of early summer and my wife looked at you look at the size of an adult bear and we were up in arms. The engineers Dan Colgan our senior producer is Allan Grimm. Phone number 1 800. They create these big latrines that are very obvious. Sam Evans-Brown has been working for New Hampshire Public Radio since 2010, when he began as a freelancer. Since 1917, Lions clubs have offered people the opportunity to give something back to their communities. Thanks also to Rick van de Poll naturalist and founder of ecosystem management consultants of New England and Sam Evans Brown host of an HP podcast outside in about the natural world and how we use it. They lived perhaps elsewhere in New England and they were just passing through and happened to have an encounter of some sort. Thank you very much for listening. People were calling the New Hampshire Fish and Game director's office saying why are you dragging your feet on this. Patrick Tate: So it's interesting it's brought up. Me Im willing to believe its possible that there are some out there. And what was really remarkable about the whole thing was I was maybe a half mile down on all buildings. Peter Biello: Let's go to Mike in Epping. So I think the point that I just want to get across is that there is a very strong sense this here in the and not region that there is that there is some sort of mountain lion population how large it is how extensive it is. The most common areas to see mountain lions in Arizona are in places of rocky and mountainous terrain. So give us a call now. Now Bobcat is a completely different species. And so. Patrick Tate: While a juvenile not a juvenile I guess if you want nodes to the base of the tail for juvenile that wouldn't be small at all. Chartered: 1973 . But if people are still seeing mountain lions, why is the state and federal government seeking to COVER IT UP!? David Erler says some of them probably have. It doesn't happen as much anymore. Get your tickets today and one for fifty dollars or six for 150 at NH PR and board. Sam Evans-Brown: One in fact Helena silver in that sort of tome that Rick van de Poll read from at the beginning is she. 235 or nhandy@ledgertranscript.com. But I was riding a mountain bike not far from my house. So I reached down to grab the camera and looked back and like a ghost it's gone. WMUR uLocal: On this trail cam video, an unidentified feline is spotted. So you want identifiable backgrounds. A monthly donation of $5 makes a real difference. support for an HBO who comes from you our listener Sam from advanced in you a local New Hampshire nonprofit specializing in college student loans and student refinancing options. Tim Yeah. It was some sort of a Lion Mountain Lion animal. If so that's for us as an agency. Is that typically what was happening there. Sam Evans-Brown: But I mean the video I had been sent was you know a recording of a animal growling but it was in slow motion and when I asked the person why is this in slow motion the denied that it was so there's a lot of weird stuff that happens in regards to people claiming they've seen they've seen these things. Ive received pictures of dogs at odd angles, says Tate. Sam Evans-Brown: Well and I think and the last takeaway here is everyone I think probably agrees that any possible sightings that have been seen. Peter Biello: Well yeah. So what I'm getting back is the verifying and confirming of evidence what that was not there. Which brings us to the next question, what are the odds that some of these reported sightings (which, when I posted about this on twitter, I immediately started to get as well) are actually people seeing a mountain lion? You treat it as if it's a sincere situation. Peter Biello: What about the idea of tourism like us leaving aside the fact that it is not on the Endangered Species Act is it. Wed love to be part of the first verified sighting. Are these big cats back?Subscribe to WMUR on YouTube now for more: http://bit.ly/1lOjX9CGet more Manchester news: http://wmur.comLike us: http://facebook.com. Let us know your story and share your photos. brings a lot of. BRADFORD, N.H. - All that snow in parts of the Northeast has more than just kids jumping for winter joy. Patrick Tate New Hampshire Fish and Game Wildlife Biologist thanks very much for being here this morning really appreciate it. The trouble with accepting every reported sighting as a confirmed mountain lion is that there are so many mistaken identifications. Sam Evans-Brown: Certainly that is a thing I've heard but again you have to think of the incentives involved here. Peter Biello: Oh okay. Caller: And then there's the Lily Pond Road and then there's a six foot tall fence. There have been several sightings of mountain lions in New Hampshire recently. NHPR is nonprofit and independent. The panther, Fells concolor, is a beast of many names, most frequently referred to in New Hampshire history as catamount, but sometimes known locally as "Indian Devil" or "Carcajou", under which . However if if and when it does happen it takes up a lot of resources looking at that situation and identifying what's going on because when you start out you don't know it's a hoax. But I do think that it's appropriate that a fishing game agency would recognize verifiable proof if they could. Do you get a lot of these these these things that end up being hoaxes. Course like Sue said you have to see it and it's not always that visible. Nicholas Handy can be reached at 924-7172 ext. I have one that's more elaborate than that. The 17-year-old Kiger mustang mare was born in Bend, Oregon, said Hodskins, who got her . They just end up in these places. We rely on readers like you to support the local, national, and international coverage on this website. Or years or so.
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